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All delivered with heaping doses of grace and compassion, join me in conversations that will help you get clear on your goals and values and start showing up in your parenting, your relationships, your life with openhearted authenticity and balance. Let's go, hello everybody, this is dr laura fry in and on this episode of the balance parent podcast we're going to be talking with a guest who after his daughter was diagnosed with a limb difference, started becoming a real advocate for diversity and inclusion, particularly in Children's media. And so he wrote a fabulous book and I'm so excited to introduce you to him. His name is Danny Jordan Danny, welcome to the show. Will you tell us a little bit more about who you are and what you do? Yeah, of course. I mean first and foremost Laura thank you so much for inviting me to be a part of the podcast. As I was saying earlier, this is my first official interview, talking about the capable than our first book raised first day, so just getting to be here is really thrilling for me, I'm a proud dad to a little, very excited 2.5 year old little girl who is just a bundle of joy and love and light and spunk and sas she's the perfect mixture of her mother and me. I wanted to be a dad for as long as I can remember, I'm the oldest of five kids, were just always around, I come from a really big family and I just always wanted to be a dad and so a few years ago, my wife and I first started trying to get pregnant myself years ago, I mean like five years ago for a while now and we tried unsuccessfully for over two years and at that point we decided to just go in and start testing ourselves just to make sure there wasn't something going on that we didn't know about. We weren't necessarily old but we weren't in our mid twenties. You know we're now in early thirties so we just wanted to make sure that there wasn't anything going on in all of my wife's tests came back totally fine. There weren't any fertility issues with her. However my tests came back and there were some male factor infertility issues and that was really just a crazy experience because I've lived a very healthy life. You know I'm a very active guy. I don't I don't do drugs or anything like that. So I just never thought this would be a thing in my life. It's really not a thing that that's talked about in school and I don't think most family units talk about it and I know dudes don't talk about it. So at first like my pride got involved and I felt like, oh my God, I'm failing as a husband, I'm failing as a man. But you know then you sort of process that and you go through and I realize you know this is just part of our story and they're not telling us that it's impossible. And then we're so fortunate to live in this time where there is these incredible medical advancements and we live in a country where these advancements are available and accessible to us, though not cheap, they are available and they are an option. And so my wife and I decided to afford with IVF and we were very fortunate that the first round of IVF was successful for us and my wife got pregnant back in 2018 and that's when we had our daughter and through that pregnancy that really sort of changed my focus in life. Obviously being an advocate for fertility awareness, specifically Male factor infertility, just opening up the conversation with men. But another big thing that happened during that pregnancy was my wife was about 22 weeks pregnant. Our daughter was diagnosed with a limb difference in upper limb difference and that really just shifted my focus as a human, my focus as a dad to be my focus as a storyteller. I've worked for the last 12 years as a reality tv producer, so you know, I really just felt compelled in that moment to do whatever I could to contribute to a world that was more inclusive, more loving, more educated, more empowering for individuals with disabilities. So I created the Children's book series called The Capable. My first book is coming out March 30th of this year. It's a thrilling time and I'm just excited to be here and chat about all things parenting, all things advocacy. I'm just grateful to be here. Thanks for having me. Oh, I'm so glad to have you here. Why don't you tell us a little bit about the capable? Because I know that so many parents here love to share powerful books with their kids. And so when we find out about a book that can help us understand differences and encourage inclusivity, I know there's so many of us who are going to want to run out and grab it. So I'd love to hear more about the book. Oh my gosh, it's been a labor of love for nearly three years now. You know, I had the idea for the capable ALs in june of 2018, it was the day after our daughter was diagnosed and I just remember the next day I was getting ready for work and I was just like, I want to do something, I want to create something, and the name, the capable is just came to me, and it was like all of sudden I needed to run to my phone and start typing things in because he was like in a flash, I saw this group of kids, super heroes, all of whom have a difference or disability, and their powers are activated through empowerment. We are very adamant about accurately representing disability through the Capable when it comes to the stories, the language, the imagery that we're using, it's not just me who is influencing, that. We formed an advisory board last year that has gone through everything that I have written to ensure that again, the language that we're using, the story that we're telling. The imagery reflects real lived experience. Two of the individuals on our advisory board for the Capable are individuals living with Lynn differences, one congenital and one an amputee, and they've been vital to ensure that we're not just putting out a book where the hero of the story looks like my daughter, but her story, her experience of going to school for the first time, her first day of kindergarten, and what that experience is like for an individual with a visible physical disability, what that experience is like, and it's been an incredible journey. Our first book raised first day basically just follows this kid, Ray, who happens to have an upper limb difference, but she also has this secret superpower that she's never shared with anyone before, and it's her first day of school. So obviously there's that conflict of going to school for the first time in encountering all these kids and what that means for her, but also what it means for her parents, who have always been there to advocate for her and to be there to filter any finger points or questions that may come her way. This is the day where they sent her really out into the world on her own to advocate for herself for the first time in this book. Because empowerment comes in so many different ways. The subject that we explore this first book is advocacy and so through Ray advocating for herself, kids start asking questions about her arm that really starts to build this energy that activates her superpowers and because it's a rainy day and raise superpower is that she can harness the power of the sun's rays. It presents this opportunity for her to show and user superpower in front of people for the first time and bring out the sons or classmates can have recess outside and I don't want to spoil what happens in the end, but she sort of face this conflict of do I share what really makes me different, the thing that people can't see or do I continue to keep it to myself out of fear of how people will react. It's just been a joy to go on this journey with this story and to be so close to releasing it to the world. There are other capable that we may or may not introducing this first book and there are other stories, other differences, other disabilities that we want to represent. I'm really just committed to ensuring that kids with disabilities see themselves represented on the page and also representatives here on the story. I think for so long individuals with disabilities are sort of like the friend right there check box here story and now with the capable of these stories don't exist without these kids. These stories don't, it's like they exist because of them. And so I'm just committed to doing whatever I can to ensure that kids with disabilities feel empowered and that they have something to really go, hey, that's like me. I'm like Ray, I'm like, you know, insert other capable, I don't wanna spoil anything. But that's what I'm committed to. But also for all the kids who don't have a disability, you know, and families were disability hasn't intersected their life. I want to give them something where they can see something that they've never seen before before. They encountered at school or at a park where that way it's not weird to them. It's something that's super and it's something to be celebrated. But also to open up the opportunity for parents whose Children don't have a disability or nobody in their family does and they don't know how to talk about. It's just giving them a tool to start having that conversation to hopefully educate their kids. Yeah, I so appreciate that there's a couple of things that you said there that I just want to tell you that I so appreciate the conclusion of folks with disabilities on your board to inform your products and your book. You know, I don't know if you're around in the autism community, but there's a movie that's just come out CIA's movie music that is getting a lot of backlash because there was no consultation with the autism community on that movie. And it's really highlighting how something with good intentions for representation can go so wrong when you don't actually include and consult and center the voices of the folks who are actually impacted by a piece of media that's being put out there. So I'm so glad to hear that this book is very well informed and has been nurtured by voices with are in the community that you're advocating for. So that's so wonderful. It's been something that I knew very early on that needed to be done. You know, working in the television industry, as you just pointed out so often, so frequently, whether it be film or television, the stories of the lived experience of those with disabilities or any sort of difference, whether it be race or sexuality. So often the stories are written and directed by and then acted out by individuals who don't have that lived experience. And then those people are lauded for representing that story, you know, for a non disabled actor playing a disabled actor, like that's not the way it should be. And I really feel like there is this incredible wave of momentum that's building outside of my industry, within my industry to make that change. And as disappointing as it is to have SIA's video that exists out in the world or even like the witches movie came out with Anne Hathaway, you know, I think rather than being a cancel culture, we have this opportunity to have a conversation and to not attack people and tell them you're wrong because the second you start attacking people though they are wrong and it's important to understand that they've gone about it in an improper and irresponsible way to attack people, puts them on the defensive and that closes all doors to conversation, which then closes all doors to progress. So as frustrated as I am as a dad have a child with an upper living difference to see a witch that has to have three fingers when the original book, it wasn't even a thing and they decided to make it a thing in the movie. It's challenging not just for my daughter, but I think of all the other kids like her whose hands look exactly like the witches in that film. But it also presents an opportunity for us to have conversation and to make people aware of how this impacts people in the world and then through that we can collectively work together to ensure that that doesn't happen anymore. And I'm very hopeful and encouraged for what the future looks like in terms of how difference diversity is represented, not just in terms of the imagery, but more so behind the scenes. The writers, the illustrators, the lighting people, the camera, people like for us with the capable like you touched on our advisory port. Like that's an important element of what we're doing because it ensures that we get the story right. But long term if we turn this into a huge 10 book, 20 book series or it becomes an animated series or whatever it becomes out in the world, I am fully committed to ensuring that there are people in the writing room with me, that there are people in the illustrating room and if this becomes a Tv show in the production room that are individuals who are diverse, that have disabilities to make sure that it's not just about what you see, but it's about what's happening in all aspects of this enterprise. And hopeful that other media outlets will do the same for me too. I hope that as you move into those spaces that as a child advocate, as an advocate for reducing the child isn't that exists in the world. This is what I do. That's how I view myself. I hope that Children's voices will be represented to having a group of young kids who are being represented in the stories that you're creating, right? Because these are not grown ups, these are kids. I think having kids voices in there too would be incredibly powerful. Yeah, I agree. 100%. I think we have big dreams because I was telling you offline, you know, my personal mantra for life is a dream. Big live bigger and you know, for us with the capable this started as just a promise to my daughter where I would just write and print one book where we got to read a story where the hero looked like her and she saw her limb difference out there and that the story wasn't just like all focused on her disability, but it was just a part of who she is as a human and we fulfilled that promise, you know, through having the first book ready to go out into the world. But for me, you know, and through chatting with various members of our advisory board, we have bigger visions for what this can be to create a community for individuals living with disability, for parents of Children with disability, for those in the medical community, whether they be O. T. S. Or PTS or surgeons or whatever it is, to create this hub where people can come together and connect with each other. And also for the conversations to be led by the appropriate individuals where there can be conversations about disability that are led by disabled people and there are conversations then led by parents, you know, but creating these sort of like buckets but then like ven diagram where people can sort of crossover into the other sections of this hub, whether it's a website or whatever it ends up becoming. I really just want to bring people together to be able to have an honest conversation because I think that's when change happens, that's when progress happens and I'm all for that. That's awesome. You know, I think it sounds like in your story that there's a piece of this, that all kids and adults would relate to this idea that we all have something inside of us that feels tender, that feels like we're not sure it's going to be accepted if we share it. And that's a pretty powerful message for all kids. But I was wondering too, So for those families that you're mentioning, who have not had their lives intersect with disability or differences in this way, I'm curious to know how so I'm so glad that this book is available, but kids notice differences. That's part of what they're doing. That's part of how their brain is developing. We know that that's a very natural part of being a kid of a brain growing in a certain way. Like learning how to categorize and put kids in, put the things that they're seeing, understand what they're saying. Give language to what they're seeing, that's what they're doing, what they're supposed to be doing. And so often though we, as parents feel uncomfortable with their noticing of differences. And so when they noticed the difference, we shut it down. Do you have any recommendations as a parent? You know, So we always want to recognize our position Haliti here. But what's your parents do in those moments? Like where maybe we're at the park and our kid points out a difference. It's a fantastic question and it's something that we navigate in the book because I was very adamant and I want to say I like it wasn't just me the capable through the conversations I had with Nicole kelly whose former Miss Iowa and was born with a congenital upper limb difference. She is on our board and her and I would have to our long conversations just about what her experience was like as a child, what her experience is still like as an adult and where people will still stripped her of her power as a human being. You know, getting on a plane where people just immediately like, well let me help you with your back and your concern is sort of a tough situation. But through those conversations it really informed how we could address that in the capable. But it also informed me as human and as a dad because it was this really sort of interesting parallel experience that happened while I was writing the capable of while you're working through the final manuscript. There was a day where my daughter and I were up at the park near our house and we go up there every day. We walk our dog would go on for sticks and rocks like parents and kids do. And there were these two little girls that came running over, my daughter hasn't had a lot of interaction with other kids for the last year for very, you know, like these moments are going to come as a parent, but you don't know how you're gonna react and then you can sort of rehearsed them, you can write them out in a book, but you don't know what's going to happen in the moment. And so these two little girls ran over at first they were just interested in my dog, but then they saw my daughter and the older of the two sisters, she pointed out my daughter's right arm and said her hand is a lot smaller than the other one. And I said, yeah, you know that's the way she was born. And the little girl immediately followed that with, well that's weird and so you know me is dad, you know, inside I want to be superhero jumped to my daughter's defense, but that's not gonna be productive in that situation. And years ago before I got the television, I worked as a counselor in the camp director at the time to and did after school programs and then grand mommy and me classes for a while at a facility here in southern California. So I had so much dialogue with kids over the years that I know the first thing you have to do is just get to them on their level. So I kneeled down and I just said, I said it's actually not weird, it's just different and we're all different, you know, like your hair is blond and your sister's hair is brown. That's just one of the things that makes you different. My daughter, which hurt left arm is longer than her right arm, and that's just one of the things that makes her different said. But what's really cool is like so often what makes us different is what gives us our superpowers in life. And it was like this wild sort of experience for me because not a week or two prior, I've been writing that scene and trying to figure out what that dialogue looked like in the real world and how it would play out and how Nicole lived experience was influencing the text of our book and then to be in that real life position facing that and watching my daughter go through it. It was just, I don't know, I just, I felt like I coached myself through my own book, but Nicola ville so guided me as well, how to have that conversation and how to use language that was healthy. And I really have to applaud the parent that was there, the mom of these two kids because she didn't get defensive. She wasn't like, hey, don't talk to my kids all educated. My kids, she nailed down as well and she was, yes. But he's like, we talked about all the time. It's like differences are beautiful, you know, and I think that's what's key is when you encounter a situation like that. As you said, laura kids are going to notice difference and they're going to point it out. And I think if we, as parents say, don't stand, don't point, it creates this weird sort of tension for kids because kids are naturally curious. It's like if I tell my daughter don't touch the stove, the first thing she's going to want to do is touch the stove, right? Don't eat plato. She's going to want to eat play doh. So like the second we say, this doesn't always apply. But so often if we say don't stare, don't point, don't ask questions. The first thing kids are going to do is do that exact thing. So why not just like we're encouraging Children to celebrate difference. Why don't we celebrate curiosity and give kids the opportunity to have a real conversation because the more you make it taboo, the more we say, don't do that, don't do that. Then they think it's a bigger thing than it really is and then they think it's more weird than it really is or they think it's bad because we only tell them not to talk about or do things that are in quotation marks. Bad. Right, right. So now that's not a one size fits all approach because not every parent of a child with disabilities may react the way that I did. So I don't want to send this information out into the world and every parent whose child doesn't have a disability or they've never navigated it like, oh, this is just how I talk about these sorts of things. Like not all parents are as open to these moments as I maybe. I think most parents of Children with disabilities are very empathetic and they want to have the conversation because their child has unlocked this part of their heart and their spirit in a way of like spreading love and inclusion that they never would have known otherwise. So I think most parents are open to it. I would just encourage parents to welcome their child's curiosity and not shut it down. I know for most parents out there disability never even intersected their life when they were a child. And so they never had that conversation with their parents or with another child with a disability. So it's fear, right? It's fear of like, am I going to say something wrong? Is my child going to say something wrong way? Yeah. The only way we get past that is by having the conversation and I'll tell you as a parent of a child with a disability. I welcome the conversation. Let's have it. Let's figure it out. Let's figure out what the language looks like. Let's expose your child. So that way when they encounter another child apart, whether it's an upper limb difference like my daughter or a child who uses a walker or a wheelchair or is blind and needs a cane or whatever it might be like, they've already figured out how to navigate that and they understand that the world doesn't just look like them and that's okay and that's actually normal, right? Like difference is normal and differences super. Like let's celebrate it rather than run away from. Yes. One of the reasons why I love books as resources like this. So if a child or a family doesn't have this aspect of diversity in their lives, having a book or resource where the conversation can be ongoing and continuing at home relieves the folks that we might see out in the world of the burden of educating us. Right? So I think it's so important that we have these conversations at home in an ongoing kind of well rounded way so that we don't have to rely. So we have these voices that are coming in that are led by folks who are affected by this into our homes, we are paying for them to educate us through these books as opposed to relying on the free emotional labor of those out in the world. Do you know what I mean? Totally. You know, and I was very intentional about that with our book and I wanted to have a moment where we specifically address raised limb difference in the book and speak to it in a way that is digestible and understandable for kids, where it doesn't feel like I'm getting all medical with them, but it's just as much for kids as it is for the parents. Now, I've provided the framework for you rather than you trying to figure out how do I describe why this girl has a limb difference and why her arm looks the way that it looks and why her hand has two fingers rather than five. How do I explain that? Well, I narrated in the book, you don't have to worry about that anymore, Like you can read this book and there's an image of a doctor. I'll actually hold it out, I'll show you, I don't show this to very many people. So, the good news is about podcasting. Nobody can see this. But yeah, there's this moment where this is sort of like a flashback scene that I've created that speaks to raise fears and then her parents fears. And then there's this moment where we talk about raised limb difference and you can see there's a doctor holding up an X ray which was directly inspired by one of the early X rays they took of our daughters right arm. And really it just specifically talks about, says while most kids are born with two bones in each forearm, ray was born with only one bone in her right for him because of this. Her right arm was shorter than her left in her hand had two fingers done done. It's just like kids are smart, you know, just tell them what it is rather than be like, I think it's no, this is exactly what it is and the reality is it's like millions upon millions of parents around the world have no idea how to talk about it and that's not their fault because they've never encountered it before. And I can tell you from being a parent who didn't know anything about Lynn difference at all before our daughter was diagnosed. I was in that boat as well, I was that parent to be who had never encountered limb difference and so I didn't know how to talk about it. I didn't know what it was, I didn't know what caused it or what didn't cause it, what we don't know what we don't know, but I went out and I started to educate myself and that's an ongoing process. So for me, it's like, I know what it's like to be, whether you're a parent of a child that you've just discovered is going to be born with the live difference or disability doesn't intersect your life at all. Here's the language, let's lay it out and then let's just move on with the story. Yeah, so like now they've answered the question. So the kids, because inevitably I know that when kids have this book read to them or their reading it to themselves, if the language isn't in there explaining why ray has a limb difference and what caused it, they're going to ask their parents and their parents are going to be like, uh, let me see that book, you know, and then they will get hidden in the back of a closet or something like that. And I'm not saying all parents with that, but some will because they don't know and it's not because they don't want their child to be educated because they're afraid it's uncomfortable not to know it is so like this is just as informative and educational for kids as it is for adults and that's what I wanted to provide was like a resource. It's like, look, I was there, I didn't know either. Now let me explain it to you in two sentences now, you know, let's move on. It's actually not that scary. Let's have a story about a kid superhero, like let's just move on. You know what I love about what you're saying here is that ultimately we can trust kids, we can put our faith in kids that they will get it, that they will understand that they are capable of understanding these differences in a way that is kind and compassionate and welcoming and inclusive. They don't have to strip away layers of conditioning that adults do. You know, they don't have to unlearn and then re learn in the way that adults do on all of these topics, racism, sexism, hetero, normative itty, you know, we have to strip away and unlearn so much because of the culture that we were raised in and it is so much simpler for kids and we can trust them. Exactly. And the thing is it's hard for us as adults to understand that because we don't have a child's mind anymore. We don't remember, I don't remember when I was two, I don't remember when I was three. Like I don't even know in my earliest memories maybe I was for I'm not sure. So all these moments that were massively impacting the way that we view the world, the way that we view ourselves, the way that we view, love, all these sorts of things happen before we have even any memory of it. So what we're providing and what so many other great inclusive authors are providing is a space to like influence the language and the imagery that impacts humans life before they even know that it's impacting them. Yeah, you're talking about implicit memories. Yeah. And so like it's hard for us as adults because we don't have any memories like that, but we have the chance right now to impact the way that our child, that all these humans will view the world moving forward. And that's why I'm so exhilarated about where we're at, I think as a society and with all this inclusive Children's literature and Children's programming coming out, whether it is disability, whether it's race, sexuality, whatever it might be, that like, kids now know that there's something else out in the world and it becomes normal to them because it's not something that's never been shown to them ever in their lives, and then one day to park one day at school, whatever now they encounter it. And the longer you go on thinking that life is one way, the harder it is to unlearn. That's like teaching kids at a second language, their brains are just sponges and they're soaking this up. I mean, you know this so well, and I'm sure so many others who are listening to this as well, it's like they're always soaking up everything. So let's make sure that what they're soaking up is representative of what actually exists out in the world. Oh, absolutely. And their brains are being wired to and so they're wiring right now, Every interaction that they have, the neurons are being wired and we can hardwire curiosity, openhearted compassion inclusion into their brain, so that the moment they see notice the difference. Their first instinct is to go to curiosity, to go to inclusivity, to go to advocacy, like this is what we're doing, It's powerful stuff and when we do this, when we focus on this with our young kids, uh I think that the biggest way we can impact our world is through, you know, if we've chosen to be parents is by raising powerful, compassionate, kind and inclusive kids who will advocate for themselves and others. Exactly, that's a huge part of the capable series in general is empowerment. You know, there are so often stories that involve the superhero space where it's sort of this super crip narrative because they were born with a disability now they have this superpower sort of situation and that's why we are the exact opposite with the capable and that's not a knock other people. You tell your story the way you want to tell it for us, It was what does? And I was trying to lock this for the longest time is like how do the capable get their powers, what is it? And it was through a conversation that I had with Nicole kelly where we just don't know exactly what we said also that I was like Nicole, I have to stop you. So I think I get it now. I said when do we feel powerful in life when we feel empowered? Like the word power is in the word empowerment? You know? And I was like what are all the ways that the people in the disability community feel empowered? It is advocacy, it is accessibility, it is inclusion, it is representation. And those are things that we see play out in the capable of books so and raise, you know, story in particular. The reason she's afraid of going to school for the first time is because she knows she's going to get a lot of questions and she's not afraid of the questions anymore. This girl has lived with this for five years of her life, this is not foreign to her. She's used to people pointing, she's used to people staring, she's used to people asking questions, but she also knows that when that happens, there is this energy transfer that happens. And as she's gotten older and she's begun to advocate for herself when she advocates, she feels empowered and as she feels empowered, her superpower starts to rise up inside of her to the point of like, oh, can I even control this anymore? And that's how her superpower comes out. And that's why school is so scary for her because she knows she's going to be in a room with 2025 other kids who more than likely have never encountered a limb difference before. And there are going to be kids who ask questions, there are gonna be kids who stare and that energy as she advocates for herself, it's going to rise up and she's afraid of like, oh my gosh, am I just not going to be able to keep this superpower to myself anymore? It's just going to come out and so that's where the conflict sort of exists for her, but it's all based in empowerment and there's a moment when she first arrived at the classroom and a group of kids come running over and one of the kids ask you what happened to your arm, you know, let's just own that conversation and let's just have it. But then also let's give Ray, let's give the individual with the disability, the opportunity, the stage to be the one to advocate, to be the one to have to share that ah ha movement, that was something that one of our advisory board members told me very early on, he's a writer and actress named Ryan Haddad, he's on the show called the politician, he was born with cerebral palsy, he told me very early on when I was working on the book, he said, one of the main notes, I will just give you is that when those sort of empowering ah ha moments happened, cannot have a non disabled person delivering those lines, because that's what we've faced our entire lives, because it's really easy to say that everybody walks different when you're not the person who walks differently, so you have to give the moment to that person with a disability to be the one to have those lines that impact not just the characters in the story, but the readers at home. And that was something we're very intentional about in those moments, and it's really just a series of four pages that this all sort of plays out and then the beginning and the back end of the book, she's a kid with a superpower who's trying to decide whether or not she wants to use it or not, you know, but those moments provide an opportunity to educate and to empower, wow, thank you so much for sharing this and coming on here and talking about your work and the work that you're putting out there into the world. I really appreciate this conversation that we've been able to have. I appreciate this conversation. I can talk to you all day, but I know you don't have all day very busy. I've got to be a dad slash author slash husband slash all the hats doctor spin in the world, but I'm so grateful that you invited me to be a part of your podcast, part of your platform to chat with your audience and I'm just encourage all the parents out there, whether your child with a disability or not, just have conversations with your Children and really feel free to reach out to me. I'm an open book as I was sharing with your lawyers. I'm sure as many people have learned throughout this conversation, I am happy to help to do whatever I can, but just know that I'm an individual that does not live with a disability, never have. So I can't speak from that lived experience. I can only speak from the experience of being a dad how it's impacted my life. And I'm happy to chat with other parents with any questions that they may have about disability, fertility awareness, all that sort of stuff. I'm happy to be a resource for anyone no matter where they're out on their journey. Oh my gosh! Thank you for your work and chatting with us today. I really appreciate it. Thank you. It's my pleasure and I'm so grateful to be connected to you. Yeah. Okay. So thanks for listening today. Um remember to subscribe to the podcast and if it was helpful, leave me a review that really helps others find the podcast and join us in this really important work of creating a parenthood that we don't have to escape from and creating a childhood for our kids that they don't have to recover from. And if you're listening, grab ish green shot and tag me on instagram so that I can give you a shout out. Um, and definitely go follow me on instagram. I'm at laura fry in PhD. Um, that's where you can get behind the scenes. Look at what balanced, conscious parenting looks like an action with my family and plus I share a lot of other, really great resources there too. All right. That's it for me today. I hope that you keep taking really good care of your kids and your family and each other and most importantly of yourself. And just remember balance is a verb and you're already doing it. You've got this mm